Clemens just reached Pete Rose level

[imported_Counts]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But he cheated to achieve it. </div></div>

Not saying what he did was right but he only cheated if he used a product banned by baseball (Since Baseball had no Steriod Policy I DO NOT see how he cheated)

[sup-rbeast]

I'm with ya counts....if it's not against the rules, it's not cheating. That has been my point with Bonds as well. When a law is passed making an act criminal, they don't go back and try to arrest everyone that had done said act in the past 25 years. That is basically the equivilent of what baseball id trying to do with the "steriod investigation" aka WITCH HUNT. Roger didn't cheat, Barry didn't cheat, nor did anyone else that used substances that weren't banned by baseball at the time the athlete was using it.

[burton2019]

good points lads, while i agree that he nor bonds technically "cheated"....i still believe clemens is trash...lol

[sup-rbeast]

I don't know anything about his private life, nor do I want to. He was the greatest pitcher of the past 25 years tho...

[Biggin]

all you people defending clemens


did you defend barry with the same zest?


if not, then you are a hypocrite


smoltz>clemens

[imported_PioneerBlue]

Who cares if baseball had rules against it?? It was ILLEGAL so therefore both of them are garbage.

[1inStripes]

And here I was thinking the manufacturering of, and use of steroids were against the law (unless produced by a pharmacy, and legal by prescription)? I guess breaking the law isn't cheating though.

[imported_Counts]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1inStripes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And here I was thinking the manufacturering of, and use of steroids were against the law (unless produced by a pharmacy, and legal by prescription)? I guess breaking the law isn't cheating though. </div></div>


No it is not cheating and IMHO no differant than Strawberry's drug problems (Or if you look at the NFL Farves or LT (Lawarence Taylors) Drug issues and I do not see anyone going around saying that they cheated)


I feel the same about Bonds Drug wise.

And while I think baseball has been to tough on Pete Rose at lest Gambeling WAS against baseball rules before he did it

[Monkeyhead]

Cocaine does not build muscles like DECA. Not the best two to compare.

[imported_Counts]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Monkeyhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cocaine does not build muscles like DECA. Not the best two to compare. </div></div>


Agree BUT the arguement was made that it was cheating becouse it was an illeagle substance even if it was not banned by MLB